Our conversation about parcel taxes and schools last week leads me to another important question: Is a private school education better than a public school one in San Jose? Many people talk about the schools in this city as not being good enough for their kids; therefore, they send them to private schools where they pay thousands of dollars a year for their education. But is the actual education itself a better one? If not, then what are they really paying for? One argument would be to say that they are paying to be in a school where education is a priority and where you get to be with like-minded people who feel the same way. Is that enough?
The public school system must follow rigorous state standards. Teachers are constantly being trained, taking professional development courses and gaining units to move them along their pay track. New ideas are constantly given to teachers from the state and federal government. Say what you will about that, but there is something to be said for new ideas keeping things fresh and teachers accountable. Plus, to renew credentials, teachers must have professional growth hours as well. Also, in many public schools, there are upwards of four classes per grade level, allowing those public school teachers to collaborate and learn from others.
In many private schools, teachers are not required to have their credentials. They are not held to many state standards—usually just the standards and curriculum of the school itself. Teachers often teach an entire grade level by themselves, taking out much collaboration and new ideas. Does that mean you cannot be a good teacher without standards and training? Absolutely not, but it’s an interesting point. Also, many teachers who work in private schools leave to get their credentials and be better compensated in public schools, so the turnover in some private schools is very large.
However, the private schools offer religion and other subjects that public schools cannot. If having religious studies is important to a parent, than that is their option. Also, private schools can pretty much accept or reject at will, which can be a relief for parents knowing that they won’t have severe behavioral problems to deal with in their child’s classroom.
When you look at things from a few different angles, it is hard to tell if private schools provide a better education. If you live in downtown San Jose, is sending your child to Five Wounds a better choice than Peter Burnett Elementary? If you live in the Rose Garden, is sending your child to St. Martin’s a better option than Trace Elementary? If you live in Willow Glen, does St. Christopher’s provide a better education than Booksin? Maybe it’s too much of a generalization and it’s different from school to school and neighborhood to neighborhood, but it would be interesting to know if parents really are getting what they pay for when they opt for private school. Or would their money be better used being put towards their local public school?
I am not saying I have the answers, or that this is something that can be solved in one day, on one blog, or during a few days of discussion. However, it would be good to get the debate going, because, in the end, our kids will be the ones that benefit.
Single Gal—Whoa! Where exactly did you get the info that public school teachers were subject to serious training and required to continuosly update their “skills”? And exactly what is the basis for your assumption that private school teachers are far less schooled in the “fine art” of teaching kids? A recent blogger noted that Martha Kantor, Pooh Bah Chancellor of Foothill/De Anza District said that 80% of students entering her domain had to take remedial math and English classes—after 12 years of seat time in public schools, and with a diploma to prove it. I taught at San Jose Shitty College for 25 years and couldn’t help but notice that 30% of every entering class was reading below the third grade level.
With an MA in English from UC Berkeley, my thesis in Chaucer, I spent my 25 years using
what I learned in English linguistics, mainly Naom Chomsky, to develop remedial writing classes, publishing a grammar for writing that was published by Holt. I found the students I had in the lowest reading levels had merely been neglected, and were taught for 12 years that they were stupid. Lots of smart kids in the group. On the other end, of 1500 or so kids entering in Sept., only 40 read at the 12th grade level—enough for one English 1A
(college) course. Counselors ruled the show, so there were many “English 1A” courses when the entrance scores were lowered. As for public school teachers being constantly required to “upgrade” their skills—total bullshit. Macrame is not an upgrade. Just taking any course at all—art appreciation—got you another step up the pay scale. Publishing a book by a major publishing house had no effect at all on my pay scale. Moreover, my “peers” were delighted that most of their students were unprepared, i.e., “hopeless”. Then all they had to do is take roll and chat.
Needless to say, they were enraged that I took these kids seriously and worse, had some successes with them (and with 4th graders and 8th graders in nearby publlic schools). Public schools are DEVOTED to the failure of their students. Please review the amazing history of Jaime Escalante, teaching REALLY unprepared Mexican kids in LA calculus well enough to pass AP classes—that Los Gatos High kids can’t handle. He was run out of his district by his peers, and their supportive administration, and again, when he moved his act to Sacramento. “Stand and Deliver”, and Nick Nolte’s “Teachers” are must see for all those who think that just giving the failed public schools more $$ will improve things. As for private schools, a PhD in math is NOT allowed to teach in public schools because they don’t have the drudgery-filled education ‘certificate”, and won’t lower themselves to put in the time to get one. Private schools have discipline, an interest in learning, and some even have an M.A. or PhD in a real subject on their staff. Anyway, glad you raised the subject, and can hardly wait for the CTA members to reply. George Green
George #1 informed us:“I taught at San Jose Shitty College for 25 years and couldn’t help but notice that 30% of every entering class was reading below the third grade level.”
It’s everywhere, George. Listen to the news readers on KLIV, for instance. A couple of them stumble frequently reading THEIR OWN COPY! There’s a woman Saturday mornings who is so bad reading weather and traffic reports that I can’t tell whether the poor thing is dyslexic, or shows up stoned or drunk, or just plain never learned to read properly.
I can’t say whether they were educated in public or private school, but to have a job where you read copy for a living, and a considerable amount of the time you can’t read it correctly, is a bit alarming. As for the news, they rip and read from the Murky News, which is designed to be read by third graders or so, and they can’t get that right a significant amount of the time.
I’m the product of the public school system in an urban, East Bay town. I received an excellent education, but in the future, should I have kids (and be able to afford it), I think I’d like to try private school for them.
I was in a family court settlement conference a number of years ago with Judge LaDoris Cordell. The father made a comment that he wanted to send the children to private school (and he wanted the mother to pay since she had the money and he didn’t). He said public schools were inferior to private schools and his children deserved the best since their mother (not him) could pay for it. Judge Cordell stated “I went to public school and didn’t turn out half bad.” I also stated I went to public school, as did the other lawyer. The father shut up pretty darn quick and the kids went to public school. For the most part, it is not the school that matters. It is the parents that matter. Reading with the children. Doing activities with the children. Getting involved in the school and their school work.
JMO you are so right about KLIV on all counts. I’ve stopped listening—since I already subscribe to the Merc—unless I have an urgent need to get local traffic info, although that can be a very painful experience in and of itself and they also tend to report every stray scrap of paper that might be blowing around on area roadways. And while commercials keep KLIV in business, they have the most annoying batch of them that they hammer you with all day long, day in and day out. I had to quit them.
I did submit a reply to today’s SG post early this AM but in it I implied that Bellarmine was a corrupt institution. I guess the SJI powers that be won’t allow for any (albeit well deserved) negative commentary directed towards the supposedly selfless Jesuits in charge over there.
#5 Mark T
I have been vetting comments this morning and we definitely didn’t receive the one you mention. I would certainly have posted it. Can you resubmit it?
How many of you realize that many public school teachers need to be proficient in a child’s native speaking language? We’re talking Spanish and Vietnamese. So, teachers need to take language classes rather than spend their time improving skills in their subject matter.
There are numerous excellent teachers in public schools, exceptional programs, and incredible kids, but it’s that microcosm of society, the small segment that many of our laws are made for, that 10% that often ruin it for the majority. So often, teachers cannot teach because they are forced to spend their time disciplining students. Hard to get rid of disruptive students in a system where school districts receive state money based on enrollment/attendance. Some districts offer programs whereby students meet with a teacher once a week for one hour, are assigned homework and correct the prior week’s assignments. Obviously, little learning takes place in such a program, but the student is on the books and pregnant girls and gang members continue.
It’s true than many private school teachers do not have the credentialing that public school teachers hold. However, such teachers are under pretty stringent controls, often much tougher than what is enforced in public schools. Also, many teachers in private schools do not have the benefits enjoyed by public school personnel, especially after retirement. Do you really think that parents paying $20 – $25 K a year for elementary school are going to put up with substandard educators?
SG- While I’ll admit going out the gate that I’m 51, I went to both private, and public schools, so things might be different now. I think private schools are better because they have strict guidelines for dress, acceptable behavior, smaller classrooms, a huge variety of subjects, including art, music, and literature, and some of the best instructors I’ve ever seen. They were far from uneducated and were better teachers than any one I had in public school. And that is saying a lot because I had some pretty awesome teachers in public schools.
I think one vital issue that hasn’t been added into this discussion is the way the large insurgence of immigrant children have slowed down education in the classroom. I have several friends with children of all ages in school. I continually hear how boring school is and how little help their kids get from teachers because they are too focused on helping children who either don’t speak English, or are trying to learn it. Try walking through an elementary school, or high school yard sometime, you won’t hear much English being spoken there, I can tell you from my own personal experience.
On Martin Luther Kind Jr. Day, I just couldn’t believe how many young people at the events I was part of putting together, had no clue about this great man. Neither did many of the immigrants who came. It seemed such a shame to me that this man fought for all these freedoms, yet a large portion of the populous knows nothing about him past, “He had a dream!”
I think JMO is right; people are getting jobs in the media because they look or sound attractive, not because they are educated in that field. I see uneducated people in jobs they don’t belong in all the time. I guess kids are being pushed through school without a proper education, so the schools can keep collecting State funding.
I will say this though; I have a great deal of respect for the Vietnamese community. They have their own schools. Their children learn English and get one hell of a good education. Vietnamese women I know are always showing me their children’s drawings, essays, tests, etc. They are so proud of their kids, and they stay on them to learn everything. I must say, they have my admiration because they work long hours, and they over see their kid’s education, without making excuses about being too busy.
I’ve seen the Indian community do the same thing. It is just awesome how they teach their kids to study now, get a degree, find a good job, and enjoy their family.
Finally, I wanted to add that I was taking courses at San Jose City College last year, to enhance my skills in negotiation; I was very surprised how few students were actually speaking English on campus. I was also surprised to see how many courses are being directed toward immigrants ONLY. The types of classes offered are very few, and when you attend them, it is rather shocking to see some of the students and their level of education being pushed through with college degrees. YIKES! It is also sad to see the kinds of instructors City College has too. I don’t think their standards of education or certification for these instructors is at the level it should be. No wonder City College is losing so many students.
S.G.:
Private schools have higher standards, in that, behaviour that interferes with learning is not tolerated. Also, inferior teachers are weeded out over time.
When I was a kid, the public schools were fantastic. But, also, I grew up when (and where) parents pushed kids to do their homework, parents were actively involved with Home and School Clubs/PTA’s, and their were consequences for being sent to the principal’s office. (Today, I think kids retain counsel when they are sent there).
One last thing, we had real P.E. The kind where you played dodge ball and “steal the bacon,” and other “law of the jungle games,” that are now strictly prohibited because they threaten self-esteem.
Pete Campbell
Ah Jack, it just wouldn’t be the same the second time around. Working from home today so the problem could have occurred here.
My main point was about better discipline in private schools than public, where there seems to be absolutely none in some cases. Not likely in an absolutely nun environment, trust me.
I agree with the remarks above that parents are a large part of the problem, something I didn’t state in my original submission.
I also didn’t share that I married a Mexican. One that has no “accent” at all. Same goes for siblings, nieces and nephews. Growing up, their parents spoke Spanish at home. The older kids only knew Spanish when they first started kindergarten. There were no ESL programs for any of these kids. It was sink or swim, yet they all became assimilated just fine. Something to ponder, and perhaps a feel for where I’m coming from in my rants on the less responsible members (parents in particular) of that culture who have played a role in the dumbing down of the public school system.
As for Bellarmine, what I stated in #5 will stand on its own witout the backstory this time.
I agree with the point that teachers are forced to teach children who don’t speak English. But as we know, many of our parents and parents parents were the sons and daughters of immigrants who didn’t speak English in schools. The different is the immigrant parents who place a premium on education, and though they don’t speak English themselves or their child, they make sure that their son/daughter is learning and school is important. Many immiggrant families do not place a high priority on schooling OR they are just trying to scrape by in life and have a hard time getting their hands around everything.
Oh and to refute a point – public schools have 20 to 1 class size reduction in 3rd and under – private schools have 30 plus kids in their classes. Does that matter? Not sure….
I am not saying either school is better, I am simply opening up the debate.
Wonder Woman—Have you forgotten the rebellion of Latino moms who demanded that their kids be taught in English, not Spanish—and thus marked for failure, just to make sure the bilingual teachers had jobs? It’s all about the “teachers”, isn’t it? At Gardner Elementary the day I taught 4th grade kids, 80% hispanic 10 year olds, about English prepositional phrases, which I call “P-groups”, there were 5 “aides” in the class to hope for control—but when the children were actually learning something they were completely under control—and having fun. I got notes from the kids for weeks wanting to know when I was coming back. This from little guys who began my time with them with insults and catcalls.
The surge in Latino and Viet kids is not the problem with “education”—there isn’t any education to be had—for billions of dollars. As for the parents being the answer—you’ve got to pay huge taxes to the schools AND do their job for them too???? Please!!! What about the kids whose parents can’t or don’t encourage their kids in school, who can’t help with homework, who haven’t been to school themselves?? All doomed you think? NOT if education was about education. Isn’t that the point—that education levels the playing field. Now if we could just get the citizenry interested in demanding accountability in education for the enormous taxes they pay. THERE ISN’T ANY ACCOUNTABILITY!!!! George Green
#11 – many simply do not want to learn English, they want us to learn their language and many are succeeding. Have you noticed the ads on buses and billboards? That didn’t happen with our ancestors. Even Neiman Marcus San Francisco has succumbed; the signs near the elevators are in Spanish, English & Chinese, in that order.
It’s not the number of students in a classroom, many parochial schools have large classes, but they, as other private schools, have to ability to weed out uncooperative students.
Hey Single Gal—If a public school teacher had one (1) student in their class guess what would happen? Nothing? You betcha. And think what it costs the taxpayers to reduce class sizes from 40 students to 20. It’s just more teachers (it’s all about the teachers, isn’t it), not better education. No accountability with 40 sized classes; none with 20 sized classes. At the bottom, CTA cares more about stopping any attempt at teacher evaluation than it cares about teacher pay. They’d lose very many more members if there were serious evaluation than if their pay was stagnant.(Cal near the bottom in education results, near the top in teacher pay—for 9 months “work” and very many holidays, and really short hours.
George Green
I went to Catholic grammar school. My smallest class was 45 kids during those 8 years. We weren’t all Enisteins, but we were disciplined and well-behaved (except, perhaps, for me). We all learned. Our parents were involved. Class size is not the issue. Lack of parental involvement and the fact that in SJ Unified alone about 100 languages & dialects are spoken by students is a HUGE issue. The longer we keep them non-English speakers, the worse off they will be.
The PC liberals who want to coddle them in their own language forever are doing those kids a HUGE disservice; they will always be an underclass.
My daughter’s kindergarten public school principal told the audience on orientation night that the only difference between public and private was parent participation. Because I couldn’t afford private school tuition until we began regularly receiving court ordered child support in time for high school, she attended public schools and did very well. She went to Presentation for high school and that school served our purpose. It prepared her for her top tier college education currently in progress (she’s a junior at an Ivy League school, passing up Stanford, Berkeley, MIT). I seriously doubt our local public high school would have prepared her for the rigors of college, thousands of miles from home.
that’s all
Jack #6 & Mark T: yesterday I typed a rather lengthy post to this folder. When I hit the “Submit” button, it just flashed off screen & the redirect box did not appear. Needless to say, it went off into cyberland . Why that happened I don’t know, but it has happened a couple of times to me over the years here. Perhaps that’s what happened to Mark’s post.
JMO, that’s very possible. But anything can happen when I’m accessing my cubicle’s desktop from home.
I might add that class sizes of 50 kids were not uncommon through my Catholic school years and there was never an issue with control of the classroom. The nuns had that locked in on day one in September until dismissal for the summer in mid June.
I think you will find that among those of us who went to Catholic or private schools with large class sizes, the argument that reducing class size does anything to help with a child’s education falls flat.
JMO and Mark are right, the nuns and priests didn’t allow us to act up in class, and our parents were very heavily involved in our education. I think George is correct too, accountability is sorely lacking in education. Most of those sitting on School Boards today are doing so, so that one-day, they can get into public office.
#19 –
True indeed. Ken Yeager, Nancy Pyle, Judy Chirco, Kansen Chu, Chuck Reed, and many others that are now public officials for the City, County, or State Government started out on a School Board. That is not to say that there are no individuals who serve on school boards because they care. I do agree with you, however, that it is, unfortunately, viewed as a starting ground for higher office.
#s 18 & 19: Back in the day, few messed with the nuns or priests. Now, if a public school teracher looks crossly at a disruptive student, she/he has to defend herself/himself. You get some high school gangbanger threatening teachers, and the teachers have no recourse. Back in the day when I grew up, that would never be tolerated. They would have thrown his punk ass out of school—even public school. Now these jerks have “rights”, including the right to threaten and intimidate other students and teachers with impunity. That must stop.
Sally Lieber wants to ban spanking of kids by parents. True violence against kids can never be tolerated. But, these days, many kids need far more than a spanking. There is a complete defiance of what we called “authority”, because there is no authority any longer. Assholes have rights, victims do not have rights. It’s part of the tolerance/diversity syndrome that is dragging this country down the tubes.
Among educated people these days, when someone delivers a low level slur, he/she is being accused of being “judgmental”. It’s not as strong as being called racist or sexist, but it’s the next level down in the insult scale by the excessive tolerance crowd.
Well, the problem these days is really that we decry judgmental persons. Even our judges don’t want to be judgmental any more, despite the fact that that’s what they are paid to do—judge/decide.
When no-one is willing to judge what is good vs. what is bad, we’re doomed to chaos. Well-meaning people refuse to stand up and be counted. Check out “Blackboard Jungle”, a movie from the n’50s. We’ve gone downhill from there. The inmates are running the asylum in public schools these days, all in the name of diversity/non-judgmentalism.
Whatever happened to” sit down, shut up, and learn the lesson”?
My children attended both private and public so I have seen both sides. Bottom line there is good and bad in both systems.
I do feel my kids had more opportunities by attending their neighborhood public high school (Lincoln) They graduated with national honors, were accepted at multiple UC’s and each received generous academic scholarships to prestigious private universities.
An excellent education can be had at almost any school, if the family values education and there is parental involvement. Don’t fool yourself into thinking that if you go private there will be no problems, no drugs, no sex, or that your kids will be safe (ever hear of Father Grab-ems?) There are issues all around. Just sometimes they are better dressed.
If the goal is to be “in a school where education is a priority and where you get to be with like-minded people who feel the same way”, then we should have tracking.
It’s not like we don’t track now. We just track by the incomes of the parents, and their willing to spend.
High school is somewhat a different question. A student can partially self select with AP and honors classes. Not available for a 2nd grader.
A letter on this topic in today’s Mercury. It is the last letter on the page.
http://www.mercurynews.com/letters/ci_8126662
Studies after studies had shown that the best predictor of academic outcome is the social-economical status of the parents. So parents wishing for good outcome would naturally seek out “to be with like-minded people who feel the same way.”
In Santa Clara County, where the difference between school districts can mean over $200,000 difference house valuation for otherwise identical houses, many parents have in effect, pre-paying for “private school”-like public school with the help of mortgage interest deduction, etc.
As #23 pointed out, tracking is not going to happen for a host of reasons.
On SJI, people sometimes complain about the proliferation of school districts within this county. But that way I see it, it’s better to break up SJUSD. With smaller districts, some would have the demographic to match other “good” public or private school in the area. Eventually, more and more parents of current private school children will sent them to public schools.
Not to mention, people usually are more willing to vote for parcel tax if they feel it would go to a nearby neighborhood schools rather then a distant part of a huge district for the children of “others.”
Kanchou #25 opined:“But that way I see it, it’s better to break up SJUSD.” An interesting, counterintuitive thought.
The problem I see with it is that we already are WAY too top-heavy with administrators and other non-value-added staff at the District level, all of whom are paid far more than the people who actually perform the real work—the teachers. The more Distrticts we have, the more $100k+ people sit around district offices shuffling paper, which does little or nothing to educate our kids. And we REALLY don’t need any more fractious school boards filled with people with single agendas, many looking to use it as a stepping stone to political office.
#26, JMO-Amen to that.
The way I see it, school board members can use school board position as stepping stone for higher positions precisely because large school districts give them high level of community exposures. Break them up into smaller pieces, the positions suddenly become less attractive as a stepping stone.
#25-
My point in 23 was not that tracking will never happen. My point was that tracking would be an improvement.
The current system of placing students solely by age results in classes that effectively serve very few students. 1/3 are bored to tears, and 1/3 are in well over their heads.
Put another way, if a student (of any age) needs fractions, then it is silly to place him in a class on algebra or a class on basic addition. Right now, that is exactly what we do, It would help him the most to give him a class on fractions.
#30
Tracking is fabulous if your child is placed in the high achieving group. Unfortunately, historically many students of color were placed on the low track and this discriminatory action led to lawsuits and the end of traditional tracking.
This does not mean that tracking does not exist. It just means that in today’s world clever students and parent advocates create tracks of their choosing by manipulating the system.
#29:
I don’t know about the rest of the “resource teachers.” All I can say is that every school librarian I know at SJUSD is classified as “resource teacher,” and while they don’t work in a class room, school librarians are hardly non-teaching positions.
People on SJI tend to underestimate the interplay between school performance and real estate. The premium for real estate at “better” south bay school districts are very high. High enough that for most voters/homeowners, protection of that exclusivity premium outweigh any potential efficiency gain.
I know people who were/currently involved in Fremont’s Mission San Jose High boundary dispute.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fremont_Unified_School_District#Line_Redrawing_Controversy
It got ugly enough plenty without any school administrators’ job in danger.
If people are trying to consolidate all the school districts in this county. The opposition from affected public employees would be lest of their worries.
Unfortunately, public schools have to face different issues than private schools. Two prominent issues always come to my mind:
1. They need to have police officers on campus to monitor gang activity and other youth violations that don’t readily occur on private school campuses.
2. Teachers need to speak Spanish to communicate to the children, where private school teachers are teaching to a class of individuals who come from a higher socioeconomic platform, and generally speak English.
I’ve worked in the elementary school system in San Jose as well as one of the main continuation high schools. It was shocking to me how many children don’t speak or read English by the time they are in high school! It’s actually appalling.
When I was a child, I attended a public school in San Jose Unified, which well prepared me for college, and a professional life. However, in this day and age, I will not be sending my children to public schools in our area. It was bad enough when I took my 2 year old to the San Jose Public Library and they were reading in Spanish. There was no reference to that on the website, nor on any postings at the library. I would like to have my children speak Spanish, but I think that should be on our terms, not their classmates or the flawed public library system. Doesn’t seem like a good time for Chuck Reed to cut programs at the library now, does it? Well, I digress…
Well, #28, ya gotta start somewhere; so if the start is in a smaller pond, the fish will still come. You’re willing to have even more highly paid useless admistrators because you think it will stop people from seeking school board positions if the district is smaller? Jeez! Wake up!
#29 posted a scary thought:“It’s also true that, the larger the district, the more expensive it is to run for office. This makes it more likely that the school board represents the teacher’s union, rather then the community.”
I must confess my ignorance of school jargon. What is “tracking”?
#31 gave me a clue about tracking when she/he opined:“Unfortunately, historically many students of color were placed on the low track and this discriminatory action led to lawsuits and the end of traditional tracking.”
Uh, Both Sides Now,it makes a difference if they were placed on a low track BECAUSE OF COLOR [a bad thing, by any standard]; or if they were placed on a low track due to low language and math skills. OOPs, can’t say that, someone will be calling me a racist. Ebonics may be recognized in Oakland & Berkeley Unified as a “language”; but unless you’re going to become a hiphop star, it’ll get you nowhere in the real world. Learn to read and write English properly, dudes. And how low math score tests can be attributed to racism is something neither Brother Jesse nor Brother Al has been able to convince me of.
If “tracking” offers all levels of those tracked a path to success it is a good thing. If it abandons those who don’t “track” high, it is a bad thing.
Everyone thinks their kid is “special”. Plain fact is, we have too many people wasting resources in colleges throughout the land who should never be there. On another thread there was an assertion that a large plurality of folks entering community college read and write at third grade level. Shame on those who passed them through. They shouldn’t be there, no matter what their color/ethnicity/whatever.
We need good mechanics, electricians, plumbers, etc. far more than we need more lawyers and CPA’s. Unfortunately, honest labor is somehow looked down upon in the USA, as opposed to much of the rest of the world. The attitude here seems to be: if you don’t go to college, you ain’t shit. BAD attitude.
“tracking” people to areas appropriate to their skill levels is not a bad thing. Helping them to increase their skill level is an even better idea; but plain fact is, we ain’t all college material.
Indeed, if people were tracked based on demonstrated skills, we might be able to abandon the age-based school grading system [uh, do all of us learn and mature physically/socially/emotionally at the EXACT same level, year on year?] and the convoy theory teachers use—everyone must learn at the rate of the slowest person in the classroom.
Egalitarianism has its limits. All men ARE created equal. It ends there.
26 and 27 are right that larger districts ought to have smaller per student overhead. Does anyone know if they do in practice? I remember SJUSD having a ton of non-teaching “resource teachers”, despite the large size.
Kanchou #28 is right about stepping stones. It’s also true that, the larger the district, the more expensive it is to run for office. This makes it more likely that the school board represents the teacher’s union, rather then the community.
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